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November 28, 2007

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- Rick Lewis

When progressives agree...

I think Richardson would be a strong president. I'm not sold on any one candidate quite yet - but "quiet competence" (which I referred to in my post yesterday) is something I, personally, really really want in a president.

And it sounds like you agree that he wouldn't try to sail off in some bold, new ideological direction. That's not necessarily a bad thing. After Bush, we need someone who will balance the budget, de-politicize the Justice Department, reign in executive power, put competent people in charge of various departments and agencies, fund common sense social programs and science, etc. - you know, restore the basics of sound government.

That will give us a platform for the next president (or even Richardson in his second term) to pursue a more bold agenda.

However... I do worry that Richardson would lack vision... limiting him to being a "good" president and not a "great" one. But, hey, good is good, you know? I'll take it!

Catherine

We're closer on this, then... I can hear the daisies growing around us as I type this.

I think Bill Richardson has a very strong vision for the country... he may not be a rockstar, but there's a decency in the Governor that speaks to me. I've had the chance to talk with him personally and was really impressed with how carefully he listened. Sometimes the vision is a more down-to-earth one, you know? It may not be rockstar mobs and catchy Celine Dion songs, but I'll take earnest over elitist any day.


Jim Grinstead

Everything you say about Richardson is true, but that doesn't mean he's the right man for the job.

He may have the credentials -- all of the candidates do -- but he doesn't have the leadership charisma that's needed right now. A Richardson administration would be bland and, despite Rick's comments, bland is not what we need right now.

My place is with Edwards and to justify that, I need to point to Lyndon Johnson.

Johnson was perhaps the last of the great presidents to come out of Congress. His knowledge of that institution and his relationships allowed him to get more socially beneficial legislation passed than did FDR.

He also had the presence to lead, not only the country, but also his party. Richardson doesn't project that authority.

Now things were different in the 60s, but it was also a time when we needed a leader and needed a lot of really bad things undone.

Hillary (and I speak of her by first name only because it is the branding set by her campaign and to avoid confusion with Bill) has the leadership power, but she won't be able to sway Congress. To make change, Democrats will need support from moderate Republicans who dislike what the neocons have done and also seek change. If those changes come from Hillary, they'll have no choice but to reject them to avoid alienating their base.

Edwards has presence and experience and maybe, just maybe, the ability to bring Congress in behind him.

Richardson may be a decent guy, but he's not the guy we need now.

Catherine

Oh, now, we're back to disagreeing again. Why couldn't you just let well enough alone, Jim?

Edwards is dasher, handsome and certainly well-coiffed, but I'm not going to give him "presence." He has the charisma, to me anyway, of flan.

Of the many different kinds of experience one needs (sorry, Obama), I think the critical one right now is international diplomacy. Only Richardson's got that. He may have it, indeed, for all the same reasons you're claiming that he's not Presidential... he doesn't come across as a politician's politician. For me, that's a plus. That said, I haven't backed a winning candidate in years.

I suspect, though, that despite our thoughtful conversation to the contrary, we're going to be pushed into a Clinton candidacy in the same way that Nicholas Cage films make money even though they're awful. It'll just seem like what's supposed to happen, whether or not it's the right thing. I hope whoever it is who's standing after the primaries has the good sense to consider Richardson for VP. I'll take an Edwards Richardson ticket, for example.

Jim Grinstead

"I suspect, though, that despite our thoughtful conversation to the contrary, we're going to be pushed into a Clinton candidacy in the same way that Nicholas Cage films make money even though they're awful. It'll just seem like what's supposed to happen, whether or not it's the right thing."

Amen, sister

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